Showing posts with label Collaborative Piano Forums 08. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Collaborative Piano Forums 08. Show all posts

Monday, August 18, 2008

Some Thoughts on How Singers Choose a Coach/Pianist

Last week, I asked the question How do you choose a coach/pianist? to the singing community. My goal was to collect some insight from classical singers as to what they need from a vocal coach and how they went about choosing one. I also wondered how singers thought about the coach/singer relationship, and how it differs from the voice teacher/singer relationship. This issue figured prominently in the comments from the post...

Jermaine Jackson, creator of the Vocal Performance Majors Anonymous: A College/Conservatory Connection Facebook group, states:
I believe that a coach is an advanced pianist who has studied language and music extensively, so therefore, they give feedback to a singer on tempi, phrasing, style, and diction. A coach IS NOT a voice teacher. Let me repeat... A COACH IS NOT A VOICE TEACHER! I have had SEVERAL coaches who try to tell singers how to actually sing, when they aren't singers themselves. Pianists, THIS IS NOT YOUR JOB! Don't tell a singer how to breathe, how to stand, how to phonate, or how to do anything that involves working the vocal mechanism.

If you have worked with several singers and consider yourselves to be an advanced coach, you probably have a good ear for bad technique or a flaw in the tone. Point out what you are hearing to the singer and THEN ask the singer to address this problem with his/her teacher. Do not try to correct the problem yourself. (I don't care how many voice lessons you have sat in on and played. Just because you hear a teacher saying something doesn't mean you understand it if you aren't a singer!) In going back to the original question, I try to AVOID these coaches AT ALL COST!!!
Gabriel talks about the coach's diagnostic role in vocal technique:
About coaches, I suppose they're people who understand these things and even more, and they can check the diction (as word phrasing) but I disagree about phonetics, I mean: the coach might point "that word isn't that good, try to make it better", but never tell you how to phonate it, that's your voice teacher's work.
In other words, the coach discovers and diagnoses potential problems and issues, which the singer then brings back to the voice teacher in order to solve. I agree completely.

One critical element in the development of young singers is that they need one and only one authority on how to develop the vocal mechanism. Even if coach and voice teacher are completely on the same track regarding how to build a voice, the mere act of hearing the same information from two different sources, and in two different sets of words, can potentially cause irreparable harm to a singer's developing voice. Far better for the vocal teacher to assume full responsibility for building the mechanics of the voice and have the coach work on other issues, of which there are plenty (ensemble, style, diction, poetics, etc.).

Also prominent in the responses were the needs of singers that have to be met through specific skill sets. Queen's University faculty member and fellow Eastman grad Elizabeth McDonald says:
First and foremost I have to actually LIKE the coach. After my voice teacher, this is the most personal relationship for me as a singer. Who are you and what is your mission as a musician?

Second, if you can't sight read or know the rep well enough to play it cold, stay home. This may seem harsh but singers get anywhere from 2-3 hours of good "full" singing in a day so it has to be productive and can't be wasted on waiting for a pianist to learn notes.

Third, I want to know what you HEAR. Can you sense the rate of vibrancy and when i'm going to breath? Do you make it easy for me to sing a long phrase? a fast phrase? Can you anticipate?

Fourth, can you articulate your ideas? I'm ok if you don't know everything. But can you articulate what you do know and hear?
From an anonymous commenter:
Having said that, obviously an advanced level of musicianship, knowledge of language, an ability to concisely and accurately tell me what you hear (not try to diagnose just highlight things for me to address with my teacher), knowledge of style, ability to sight read (or willingness to say you can't) etc are the basics.
Singers also need someone to put them on the right path of artistic development, not just from a place of practicalities, but able to put a singer in touch with their own artistic muse.

The anonymous commenter:
...first off is chemistry. The relationship between a coach or a collaborative pianist and a singer is as, no more, intimate on many levels than a marriage. This is a person who I’m going to be naked as an artist in front of so I need to feel safe. Ideally during our time together I’ll have the freedom to make ugly and perhaps unmusical sounds as I explore the boundaries of what I/we can do. I need to trust that when we leave the studio either you’ll be there to catch me or I’ll have the confidence to sing in the moment.
This approach ties in with what a lot of advanced singers need, singers who are poked and prodded at auditions, treated as product, told by "authorities" to become this or that if they ever intend to work, but still need to have the comfort to be vulnerable in the process of working up new and existing repertoire, and most importantly need to recover their own identity as artists in the coaching process. Jermaine sums it up admirably:
Coaches, also be open to collaboration. Don't treat singers like they are worthless human beings. Not all singers are stereotypically "slow" at music, especially in 2008. Don't act like you are the "supreme authority" on everything musical just because you are sitting at the piano.

Most importantly for all future pianists/coaches, remember to be innovative. I can't stand working with a pianist who won't budge on a tempo because that is how they've played it for 35 years, or they first played this aria slower or faster. Have new ideas and always be willing to compromise.
A big thanks to Jermaine, Elizabeth, Gabriel, and Anon. for their eloquent and frank advice.

Any further thoughts from singers or pianists? Please leave a comment below and let's continue the discussion.

Update 8/22: Recommended reading: a new discussion thread on Coaching vs. Playing Dumb (Facebook ID req.) has appeared on the People for the Ethical Treatment of Accompanists Facebook group that looks at the difficult choices facing many about whether or not it is wise to offer advice in the rehearsal room.

Monday, August 11, 2008

Singers: How Do You Choose a Coach/Pianist?

The singer's process of choosing a coach or pianist is undoubtedly a personal one. Considerations of a pianist's ability are paramount: Can they play at a high level? Can they sight read? How much repertoire do they know? Can they coach diction? But what pianists also need to know about is the art of interaction--since singers are in effect developing their own body into an instrument, there is a personal element that is just as important.

Today's question is geared towards singers, and what influences their choice of whom to work with at the piano:

How do you choose a coach/pianist?

This comment thread is primarily for singers. Pianists: listen & learn.

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Previous questions:

What is your core repertoire?
What are your peak musical experiences?
What is classical music?


How to participate in the forums

Thursday, July 31, 2008

What is Classical Music?

Today's question arose out of a conversation that I had on the way back from Stratford with Ann La Plante, general manager of the Alliance for Canadian New Music Projects regarding exactly what, in this postmodern age of culture- and style-hopping, constitutes the meaning of "classical music". Is it the body of music constituting the western classical tradition of the last few centuries? Did it come to an end with the birth of atonality over a century ago? Or is it a constantly developing and expanding umbrella of styles with rapidly disappearing boundaries? Although this may seem like a purely academic question, I assure you that there is a huge amount of arts funding that hinges on just where the boundaries of classical music lie.

Leave your comments below with your answers to the following question:


What is Classical Music?



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Previous questions:

What is your core repertoire?
What are your peak musical experiences?


How to participate in the forums

Friday, July 25, 2008

Collaborative Pianists: What Are Your Peak Musical Experiences?

The life of a collaborative pianist is never easy, with constant deadlines, the expectations and insecurities of others, a frequent lack of respect, too many unfriendly pianos, and that money thing that always needs to be worked out.

Forum question #2 deals with those moments that make everything worthwhile, when we transcend all the other stuff in the joy of music-making with others:

What are your peak musical experiences?

Feel free to talk about those elusive moments, fleeting but life-changing, that you either experienced in the past or happen on a continual basis, either by yourself or with others, which make the collaborative enterprise a choice unlike any other.

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Previous question: What is your core repertoire?

How to participate in the forums

Monday, July 21, 2008

What Is Your Core Repertoire?

In the course of studies, work, teaching, and performances, collaborative pianists are known for being able to play an incredibly diverse amount of music. However, many pianists have a tendency to return to and become known for working with specific instruments, voices, genres, and composers.

Whether you end up playing violin concertos, bel canto arias, French opera, musical theater, cello sonatas, Schubert lieder, trombone works, or new work, specialization can bring a focus to your work and help you to develop a niche for yourself in the profession. Today's question deals with the repertoire that you specialize in, either as a result of your own interest and abilities, or having fallen into it:

What is your core repertoire?

Your comments are welcome, and remember that there are a number of ways to leave a comment, either using your own name, using an alias, or writing anonymously!

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Saturday, July 19, 2008

How To Participate in the Collaborative Piano Forums 08

On Monday, July 21 and running until the end of August, I'll be posting several discussion topics about issues important to collaborative pianists and open to everyone to participate in (Hint: there will be several questions for non-pianists...) Each posting will be a springboard for conversations in which you can participate. Feel free to comment whenever you feel the need to chime in and take part in the discussion in the comments section of each blog posting.

In case you've never posted a comment on a blog before, there are a number of ways you can do this, either using your name, an alias, or anonymously. The Collaborative Piano Blog uses the Blogger platform, which gives you a number of options to both read and add comments.

Leaving Comments

1. Getting Started. Find the link that reads "Post a comment" or "[x] comments". Click on it and it will take you to the comment page, where you can write your comment and determine your sign in method to submit it. After leaving your comment, scroll down to the section that reads "Choose an identity". You can now use one of the following sign-in methods.

2. Google/Blogger Accounts. If you have a Gmail address, Google account, or Blogger account, you can sign in with that identity to leave your comment. These accounts will not be completely anonymous, but will show the name of your account. After clicking on this option, you can also click a box that will enable you to have follow-up comments emailed to you.

3. Open ID Accounts. If you have an OpenID, LiveJournal, WordPress, TypePad, or AIM account, you can sign in here. If you have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, skip to #4.

4. Name/URL. Many people feel very strongly about their privacy on the internet. For those who have no wish to divulge their real names, this is an excellent option. Just choose a name (either your own or a nom de plume) and away you go. For those who would like to list both their name and a link to their website, you can also do it here.

5. Anonymous. The most frequent commenter on the Collaborative Piano Blog. This setting will completely anonymize your comment, although readers won't be able to tell it apart from those of other anonymous commenters. If you're engaged in a conversation, it might be a better to think of a clever nom de plume and use #4 instead so you can assume the same identity from conversation to conversation.

Keeping Up With Comments

Now that you've left a comment, it's worthwhile to check back from time to time to see what others have said on the same subject. Here are some ways you can do that.

1. Bookmark the Collaborative Piano Blog. Using either your browser or a bookmark service such as del.icio.us or Ma.gnolia, create a bookmark so you can come back and check out the latest comments.

2. Bookmark the Collaborative Piano Forums 08 Page. This page will show all postings in the CPF08 series with the most recent ones at the top of the page and the older ones below.

3. Subscribe to the Collaborative Piano Blog. You don't actually need to visit this site in order to keep up to date with what's going on with new postings. One great way to have updates delivered to you is via either a subscription in a feed reader or an email subscription. Many feed readers also list the number of comments after every posting in order to find the conversations. in a blog. Subscriptions are free and a huge time-saver for those of you who like to keep up with the web but don't have that much time to surf from site to site. (Not sure what RSS feeds are? Here's an excellent site that explains what they are and how to use them.)

4. Subscribe to Comments. This is a subscription that will have the comments from a specific Collaborative Piano Blog article sent to you as they are submitted. Unlike the main site feed (which is administrated by FeedBurner), a comments feed requires you to subscribe from a feed reader. At the very bottom of the individual posting page, look for the line that reads "Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom)", click on the link, cut and paste the url into your feed reader, and wait for the next comment. You can also subscribe to all comments from the Collaborative Piano Blog, which you can find here.

To give you an example of a fascinating and rather raucous comments thread from a previous posting, take a look at Should Accompanists Charge Clients For Practice Time? The 21 comments on that posting from last month give you a good idea of where a conversation can go in a blog.

In case you're not sure where the conversations are, I'll be posting a navigation picture at the top of the right-hand sidebar so you can go to the CPF08 series from any page on the blog.

See you Monday morning for the first topic!

Wednesday, June 18, 2008

Collaborative Piano Forums Start July 21: Leave a Comment With Questions for the Forum

Starting on June 23rd July 21 I'll be starting Collaborative Piano Forums 08, a new series here on the Collaborative Piano Blog about aspects of the art and business of collaborative piano. Here's the catch: the series will be an ongoing discussion-each posting will consist of questions and issues which are open to the community to discuss at length in the post's comment section. Some of the subjects will deal with matters of repertoire, career paths, goals, freelancing and highlights/lowlights of the CP/Accompanying life.

The big question for everyone is:

What questions do you have for the Collaborative Piano Blog community about life in the collaborative arts?

Leave a comment below if you have a question for the forum. I will be collecting all the queries at the end of the week in mid-July, which will then appear over the course of the next few weeks after that. Let the discussion begin!